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Lesser Antilles may see a tropical storm late this week
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 13:51:GMT den 01. august 2010 +3
A concentrated area of intense thunderstorms near 9N 36W, midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands, has become more organized this morning. NHC has labeled this system Invest 91L, and is giving it a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by 8am Tuesday. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 20 knots, sea surface temperatures are at record highs, and the dust and dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) are far enough to the north of 91L to potentially allow further development. The main negatives for development are the current phase of the Madden-Julian Oscillation, which favors downward motion over the tropical Atlantic, and the fact that 91L is too close to the Equator to take much advantage of the Earth's spin to get spinning. Last night's ASCAT pass of the region did show a large region of westerly winds south of 91L, indicating that a surface circulation is trying to form. Satellite imagery shows that the intensity and areal extent of 91L's heavy thunderstorms is increasing. However, there are no signs of a surface circulation, and low-level spiral bands and upper-level outflow are not apparent yet.

Forecast for 91L
There is strong model support for 91L developing into a tropical depression. The GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET models all develop 91L into a tropical depression by Tuesday or Wednesday. A west to west-northwest motion is predicted, and residents of the Lesser Antilles Islands should anticipate the possibility of a tropical storm arriving in the islands as early as Thursday. It is possible that 91L would pass northeast of the islands, as predicted by the UKMET model, and it is too early to speculate on which of the islands is at most risk. As the storm approaches the Lesser Antilles late this week, 91L will encounter a strong upper-level low pressure system centered north of Puerto Rico. This upper-level low will likely bring high levels of wind shear to the waters just north of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola. Thus, if 91L stays to the south, in the Caribbean, it is far more likely to attain hurricane status than if it pushes north of the Caribbean. As always, long range forecasts of this sort are speculative, and it is too early to reliably say what the long-term risks of 91L becoming a hurricane are. The latest intensity forecast from the SHIPS model shows 91L peaking in strength four days from now, then weakening as it encounters the high wind shear area north of Puerto Rico.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 91L.

Next update
I'll have an update Monday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2551. Levi32 01:12:GMT den 02. august 2010    
TPW imagery shows that the dry air trying to wrap into 91L's NW quadrant earlier this morning is now being overtaken by the large trough to the north associated with moisture surge, and dry air has now ceased to be a problem for the moment. The environment is all set for 91L to develop.
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2552. Tazmanian 01:12:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
still aint buying no recurve sorry we have to see where it is past 60w



i 2nd that
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2553. SouthDadeFish 01:12:GMT den 02. august 2010    
I think any debate about recurve is somewhat pointless now. A lot depends on how it will interact with the TUTT/ULL north of PR in 4/5 days.
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2554. KoritheMan 01:12:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Satellite presentation is definitely that of a TD/TS. However as Levi pointed out, 91L isn't vertically stacked and its circulation is still broad. I reckon we won't see a TD until tomorrow morning, with Colin shortly thereafter.


Yeah, I did notice something of a vertical tilt from 850 to 500 mb.
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2555. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 01:12:GMT den 02. august 2010    

NMFC Norfolk Tropical Feed
No Active Tropical Warnings in the Atlantic, Caribbean, or Gulf of Mexico
By Maritime.CDO@navy.mil (NMFC CDO) from Naval Maritime Forecast Center Norfolk Virginia. Published on .

As of Mon 02 Aug 2010 01:00:02Z

2010 Storms
All Active Year

Atlantic
91L.INVEST
East Pacific
NONE
Central Pacific
92C.INVEST(T.C.F.A.)
West Pacific
96W.INVEST
Indian Ocean
NONE
Southern Hemisphere
NONE
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2556. cirrocumulus 01:13:GMT den 02. august 2010    
NASA 00:45 It looks like the update by NOAA on position was basically correct. Now it is at 10.6 and 36.9 though.

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2557. scott39 01:13:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Levi, Is 91L the same type of wave that Alex developed from?
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2558. beell 01:13:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Maybe I'm looking at this wrong, but what I have seen appears to be an E/W trough in the ITCZ with strong convegrence. Enhanced by interaction with passing waves. The BAM's and dynamical models grab onto the wave passage while in reality, the convection remains behind, tied to the western extent of the ITCZ trough. We have been kinda stuck on 36-37W for a while. Is this thing moving west, lol?
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2560. itrackstorms 01:14:GMT den 02. august 2010    
There's something fishy going on here....

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2561. Tazmanian 01:14:GMT den 02. august 2010    
hey 09 look what i found


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2562. MiamiHurricanes09 01:15:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
TPW imagery shows that the dry air trying to wrap into 91L's NW quadrant earlier this morning is now being overtaken by the large trough to the north associated with moisture surge, and dry air has now ceased to be a problem for the moment. The environment is all set for 91L to develop.
Looks like that trough will be of great help to 91L throughout its lifetime.
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2564. FloridaHeat 01:15:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting cirrocumulus:
NASA 00:45 It looks like the update by NOAA on position was basically correct. Now it is at 10.6 and 36.9 though.



i see a white there so i assume that means it is strengthening???
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2565. Patrap 01:15:GMT den 02. august 2010    
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2566. leelee75k 01:15:GMT den 02. august 2010    
I visit this site everyday, but today I'm getting a message from Norton that this site has a threat, some sort of virus, is anyone else getting this?
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2567. FloridaTigers 01:15:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Everything points to advisories at 11PM.

Good to see the models going fishward at the moment, but I really don't put much into them until they have proper initialization fixes.
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2568. wunderkidcayman 01:16:GMT den 02. august 2010    
I am not trusting the models till 91L/pre-TD4 is near 40-45W
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2569. Tazmanian 01:16:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting FloridaHeat:


i see a white there so i assume that means it is strengthening???



yes
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2570. MiamiHurricanes09 01:16:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:
hey 09 look what i found


What's the link?
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2571. reedzone 01:16:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Sorry guys, there's too much ridging in place for a recurvature, I can see it going either like this..
Swiping the East Coast, close call recurvature. Or missing the trough as a ridge builds to the north, classic situation that happened with both Frances in 2004 and Alex of this year, stalls a bit until the ridge steers it towards the Southeast Coast. I just don't see a recurvature this this one.
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2572. Tazmanian 01:16:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
I am not trusting the models till 91L/pre-TD4 is near 40-45W



same here
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2573. Patrap 01:16:GMT den 02. august 2010    
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2574. Magicchaos 01:16:GMT den 02. august 2010    
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2576. Levi32 01:17:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Levi, Is 91L the same type of wave that Alex developed from?


You could draw a couple similarities but Alex developed in a different way and in a different pattern. It's not the same thing here.
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2577. MiamiHurricanes09 01:17:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Sorry guys, there's too much ridging in place for a recurvature, I can see it going either like this..
Swiping the East Coast, close call recurvature. Or missing the trough as a ridge builds to the north, classic situation that happened with both Frances in 2004 and Alex of this year, stalls a bit until the ridge steers it towards the Southeast Coast. I just don't see a recurvature this this one.
Agreed. There's even a less chance of a recurvature if the NAO stays positive.
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2578. Patrap 01:17:GMT den 02. august 2010    
00z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest91
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)




Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)





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18z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest91
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



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2579. Bordonaro 01:17:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
What's the link?

Link
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2580. pottery 01:17:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting itrackstorms:
There's something fishy going on here....


Looks like a caterpillar........
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2581. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:17:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting leelee75k:
I visit this site everyday, but today I'm getting a message from Norton that this site has a threat, some sort of virus, is anyone else getting this?


Yes, I think the site is getting a virus.
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2582. SLU 01:18:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting itrackstorms:
There's something fishy going on here....



LOL. Trust the HWRF to have the northern-most bias of all computer models.
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2583. Tazmanian 01:18:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
What's the link?



Link
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2585. Levi32 01:18:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting beell:
Maybe I'm looking at this wrong, but what I have seen appears to be an E/W trough in the ITCZ with strong convegrence. Enhanced by interaction with passing waves. The BAM's and dynamical models grab onto the wave passage while in reality, the convection remains behind, tied to the western extent of the ITCZ trough. We have been kinda stuck on 36-37W for a while. Is this thing moving west, lol?


Nope, and I never expected it to. Through this weekend I expected only a couple degrees of progress westward, which I explained somewhere last week. After today, it should start accelerating WNW. It already is starting to move now actually.
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2586. scott39 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


You could draw a couple similarities but Alex developed in a different way and in a different pattern. It's not the same thing here.
thanks
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2587. AussieStorm 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting itrackstorms:
There's something fishy going on here....


i can't see that track happening
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2588. Tazmanian 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Prob of RI for 25 kt RI threshold= 41% is 3.2 times the sample mean(12.6%)
Prob of RI for 30 kt RI threshold= 20% is 2.5 times the sample mean( 8.1%)
Prob of RI for 35 kt RI threshold= 12% is 2.5 times the sample mean( 4.8%)
Prob of RI for 40 kt RI threshold= 7% is 2.0 times the sample mean( 3.4%)
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2589. Patrap 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    
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2590. JRRP 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    
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2591. severstorm 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting leelee75k:
I visit this site everyday, but today I'm getting a message from Norton that this site has a threat, some sort of virus, is anyone else getting this?

Yes i just got one so i will see ya all later.
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2592. Chavalito 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    
According to models, Invest 91L will pass about 300-450 miles from Puerto Rico. I think this will be a fish storm.
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2593. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 01:19:GMT den 02. august 2010    

NMFC Norfolk Tropical Feed
No Active Tropical Warnings in the Atlantic, Caribbean, or Gulf of Mexico
By Maritime.CDO@navy.mil (NMFC CDO) from Naval Maritime Forecast Center Norfolk Virginia. Published on .

As of Mon 02 Aug 2010 01:15:01Z

2010 Storms
All Active Year

Atlantic
91L.INVEST (T.C.F.A.)
East Pacific
NONE
Central Pacific
92C.INVEST(T.C.F.A.)
West Pacific
96W.INVEST
Indian Ocean
NONE
Southern Hemisphere
NONE
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2594. stormwatcherCI 01:20:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Wyvern,

Where did you get the TCFA track from?
Link
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2595. alaina1085 01:20:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting leelee75k:
I visit this site everyday, but today I'm getting a message from Norton that this site has a threat, some sort of virus, is anyone else getting this?

I got a message too. Ugh I hate when this happens on this blog. Time for a computer scan
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2596. Tazmanian 01:20:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Sorry guys, there's too much ridging in place for a recurvature, I can see it going either like this..
Swiping the East Coast, close call recurvature. Or missing the trough as a ridge builds to the north, classic situation that happened with both Frances in 2004 and Alex of this year, stalls a bit until the ridge steers it towards the Southeast Coast. I just don't see a recurvature this this one.



nop
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2597. scott39 01:20:GMT den 02. august 2010    
What degree longitude and latitude did Bonnie develope into a TD?
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2599. Tazmanian 01:21:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting Chavalito:
According to models, Invest 91L will pass about 300-450 miles from Puerto Rico. I think this will be a fish storm.



fiscaster
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2600. cirrocumulus 01:21:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
TPW imagery shows that the dry air trying to wrap into 91L's NW quadrant earlier this morning is now being overtaken by the large trough to the north associated with moisture surge, and dry air has now ceased to be a problem for the moment. The environment is all set for 91L to develop.


Indeed. The center is near 10.41N and 37.10W.
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2601. sebastianflorida 01:22:GMT den 02. august 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:
i still dont turst the mode runs this far out
but do you trust them? turst is one thing, but trust is a whole ohter balgam
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